Geocentrism Challenge

Catholic Apologetics International is holding a “Geocentrism Challenge” wherein they’re offering $1000 to anyone who can “prove” that the earth orbits the eun. They claim that their tradition and certain Bible passages require that the sun orbit the earth.

I have no interest in CAI’s cash, but I am interested in the Bible verses they claim teach geocentrism. So here are their “proof” verses from the Bible (apocryphal ones excluded.) Keep in mind that poetic language is not intended to be taken literally. I can say the “sun sets”, even though the earth is that which is rotating and still be correct from my vantage point.

Psa 19:5-7
Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber;
It rejoices as a strong man to run his course.
Its rising is from one end of the heavens,
And its circuit to the other end of them;
And there is nothing hidden from its heat.
The law of the LORD is perfect, restoring the soul;
The testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.

This is talking about how the sun is perceived, not about spatial relationships or orbits.
Psa 104:5
He established the earth upon its foundations, So that it will not totter forever and ever.
Nothing here about Earth’s location or its orbit, this whole passage is talking about God’s sovereign control over all the universe. The Earth will not “totter forever” because God’s plan will not allow it to do so. “There will be a new heavens and a new earth.”

Psa 104:19
He made the moon for the seasons; The sun knows the place of its setting.

Poetic language again talking not about spatial relationships of extraterrestrial bodies, but God’s Sovereignty.
Psa 119:90
Your faithfulness continues throughout all generations; You established the earth, and it stands.
Uh… Earth still “stands”, even though it really does orbit the sun.

Ecc 1:5
Also, the sun rises and the sun sets; And hastening to its place it rises there again.

Still more poetic language that really isn’t talking about what goes on in the heavens, but how it appears on Earth.
2 Kings 20:9-11
Isaiah said, “This shall be the sign to you from the LORD, that the LORD will do the thing that He has spoken: shall the shadow go forward ten steps or go back ten steps?”
So Hezekiah answered, “It is easy for the shadow to decline ten steps; no, but let the shadow turn backward ten steps.”
Isaiah the prophet cried to the LORD, and He brought the shadow on the stairway back ten steps by which it had gone down on the stairway of Ahaz.
Supernatural event which needs to explanation. This does not require the sun to orbit the Earth.
2 Chron 32:24
In those days Hezekiah became mortally ill; and he prayed to the LORD, and the LORD spoke to him and gave him a sign.
Ok…. what does this have to do with anything?

Isa 38:7-8
“This shall be the sign to you from the LORD, that the LORD will do this thing that He has spoken:
“Behold, I will cause the shadow on the stairway, which has gone down with the sun on the stairway of Ahaz, to go back ten steps ” So the sun’s shadow went back ten steps on the stairway on which it had gone down.”

Same event as reported in 2 Kings, same deal no need for sun to orbit the Earth for God to cause this occurrence.
Joshua 10:12-14
…So the sun stood still, and the moon stopped… And the sun stopped in the middle of the sky and did not hasten to go down for about a whole day…
As with the Isaiah passages, a supernatural event that doesn’t require the sun to orbit the earth. It seems that perhaps CAI is looking for natural causes for supernatural events. Like with some of the “Discovery” type TV-shows, folks look for natural causes for Biblical events, for example some speculate that the crossing of the Red Sea was made possible by a tsunami. The Bible states, however, that God held back the waters of the Red Sea, it doesn’t tell us about a tsunami or anything of the sort, there doesn’t need to be a naturalistic explanation for supernatural events.

Judges 5:31
“Thus let all Your enemies perish, O LORD; But let those who love Him be like the rising of the sun in its might.”
And the land was undisturbed for forty years.

Yes, the sun “rises” and “sets”. This is how sun’s movement appears because of the rotation of the earth to us. The fact that the earth orbits the sun does not negate this passage in any way.

Job 9:7
Who commands the sun not to shine,
And sets a seal upon the stars;

How does this indicate the idea that the sun orbits the earth? God’s commanding of heavenly bodies not to shine does not tell us anything about the relationship of the sun or earth.

Habakkuk 3:11
Sun and moon stood in their places;
They went away at the light of Your arrows,
At the radiance of Your gleaming spear.

More poetic language. Interesting that here, though, that the author of Scripture speaks of the sun and moon standing still as a interruption of the natural course of things. One who understands the movements of the planets and stars knows that everything in the universe is in motion.

James 1:12 – Blessed is a man who perseveres under trial; for once he has been approved, he will receive the crown of life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him.

Where is the sun or earth mentioned in this passage? How is this passage supposedly teaching geo-centrism?

None of these verses say what CAI wants them to say, thus it is not the Bible which directs their misguided belief but their tradition.

6 thoughts to “Geocentrism Challenge”

  1. A total misunderstanding of the gospel, blatant idolatry concerning Mary, a complete disregard for verified science…..its not looking too good for worshipping God in spirit and in truth in the Roman Catholic church.

  2. When we use the terms "the sun sets" et al, we use them because we inherited language from an older world which, ideed, *did* believe the sun moved around the earth. Verified science, as the previous commentator put it, reveals this to be a simple historical fact. Hence, the onus probandi is upon those who wish to say that when an ancient writer scribed, "The sun sets," he meant anything other

  3. <I>"Hence, the onus probandi is upon those who wish to say that when an ancient writer scribed, "The sun sets," he meant anything other than the literal import of those words." </I><BR/><BR/>Balogna. We still say "the sun sets" and mean that, from our vantage point, from our seemingly fixed location on the Earth, the sun did set. Anchient writers likewise had their vantage point, the sun, moon

  4. In a sense, this is correct; you can make anything the centre of the universe–the sun, the earth, an empty spot in space, or this keyboard I’m typing on–and produce a mathimatical model that explains the movement of all other objects related to it.<BR/><BR/>But I think anonymous has a point, you know, though he takes it in a differant direction; do we have any record of anyone in the era that

  5. <I>But I think anonymous has a point, you know, though he takes it in a differant direction; do we have any record of anyone in the era that the Old Testament was written in actually, you know, thinking the earth went around the sun? If not, scientifically speaking, it would kind of seem like an anachronism (spelled right?) to attribute heliocytrism (ditto? Probably not) to Job or David. That

  6. Please, I love geocentrism. Continue on.<BR/>For those of us who are theistic evolutionists, I think geocentrism<BR/>is a positive boon. I love to be able to argue against YECs from the right instead of from the left.<BR/>Long live Ptolemy and Walther!

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